Brutal [News] Fakecel Nathan Larson indicted in federal court last week, faces three life sentences if convicted

[PPEcel]

Larson also has state charges in Fresno County, California and Denver County, Colorado to contend with, but it seems that the fedcels at the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of California are moving at a pretty fast pace. The grand jury indictment was filed last Thursday and is attached here:

Spoiler: Indictment

View: https://imgur.com/a/2umd2gz

Counts 1-3 (kidnapping, transportation of minor with sexual intent, online coercion and enticement) each carry a maximum sentence of life. Counts 4 and 5 (sexual exploitation of a minor, receipt and distribution of child pornography) carries a maximum sentence of 30 years and 20 years respectively.

Counts 1-4 pertain to the kidnapping attempt of a 12-year-old foidlet (previous incels.co thread here) (Washington Post story here) he met on his website, the subject of many angry CuckTears posts.

If you want more details, here's an excerpt from the affidavit filed by U.S. Department of Homeland Security Special Agent Dada Cheam. It's a copy of the conversation that Larson ("Leucosticte") had with the 12-year-old ("ewwieme").

Spoiler: P.10-12 of Complaint

Count 5 is unrelated to the kidnapping attempt and pertains to material found, pursuant to a search warrant, on Larson's Samsung tablet. The affidavit describes one video as depicting the anal rape of a 7- or 8-year-old female child by a white male adult.

Over for him, hope the foidlet was worth it.

 

[Deleted member 5712]

dam that sucks. he was a cool dude

 

[starcrapoo]

Can't make that shit up rofl.

He has an noodlewhore wife correct?

 

[coldmachinery]

F

 

[PPEcel]

Can't make that shit up rofl.

He has an noodlewhore wife correct?

I think it was a mail order Filipina bride but I'm not sure if they were legally married.

He was previously married to and later divorced a tranny. It killed itself after the divorce.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

It killed itself after the divorce.

 

[PPEcel]

I have no idea how to gender an FtM...thingy. English is actually my second language.

 

[Capable_Onion]

He was previously married and later divorced a tranny. It killed itself after the divorce.

People here actually idolize a tranny fucker jfl

 

[Pain And Hatred]

Fucking dumbass, he should have just kept jbwmaxxing in Asia.

 

[Haywire]

hav sen 12 year old foids with bodi dat m0g many old roasties

 

[Insanitycel]

He didn’t listen to the voices

You always listen to the voices

 

[GermaniaIncelia]

tl;dr: they arranged a meeting, she flew to him and yet somehow he was 'kidnapping' her. Murrica!

 

[RollD20]

Gets a tranny from phillipines but decided to sex the loli in maerica of all things.

how smart.

 

[Robtical]

If he had a different phone and an uncucked IP address while doing this, would it have been thrown out?

Fuck those cucks for trying to steal his stuff.

 

[BlkPillPres]

depicting the anal rape of a 7- or 8-year-old female child by a white male adult.

The guys that do this shit are sadists, like come dude, just settle for a blow job at that age am I right

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

I wonder if authorities got eyes on me since I posted on his first forum.

 

[PPEcel]

If he had a different phone and an uncucked IP address while doing this, would it have been thrown out?

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Fuck those cucks for trying to steal his stuff.

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Actually, it doesn't matter what the phone is or where the IP is. It would still have been a crime.

The reason for pointing out where the phone and tablet were manufactured, as well as the IP address of his website, reflects a quirk in the structure of American government: federalism. The vast majority of crimes in the U.S. are handled at the state and local level. Not the federal level.

See, many federal criminal laws expressly limit their application to acts that fall under federal subject matter jurisdiction -- which comes into play on federal property (i.e. a federal government building, federal prison, federal courthouse, national park, Washington D.C., an airport, a U.S. military base, et cetera), and on acts that occurred in or affected "interstate or foreign commerce" (per the Commerce Clause of Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution).

Therefore, federal prosecutors have to establish that a crime falls under federal subject matter jurisdiction. Fortunately for them, since the 19th century, the federal courts have had an extremely wide interpretation of the phrase "interstate or foreign commerce". If a crime crosses state lines, the feds have jurisdiction over it. If a crime involves immigration, the feds have jurisdiction over it. If a crime involves the internet, the feds have jurisdiction over it.

In this case, by simply establishing that Nathan Larson's electronic devices were manufactured in China by a South Korean company, and that the IP address was traced to a European server, the crime is deemed to have occurred in or affected "interstate or foreign commerce", and the federal government has jurisdiction in this particular case.

Note that just because the federal government has jurisdiction does not necessarily mean that state governments do not, and vice versa -- this is known as concurrent jurisdiction. Larson is facing charges by the federal AND state authorities.

 

[Robtical]

Therefore, federal prosecutors have to establish that a crime falls under federal subject matter jurisdiction. Fortunately for them, since the 19th century, the federal courts have had an extremely wide interpretation of the phrase "interstate or foreign commerce". If a crime crosses state lines, the feds have jurisdiction over it. If a crime involves immigration, the feds have jurisdiction over it. If a crime involves the internet, the feds have jurisdiction over it.

What if you're in an uncucked country using their internet to download illegal stuff, do americucks still have jurisdiction there?

In this case, by simply establishing that Nathan Larson's electronic devices were manufactured in China, the crime is deemed to have occurred in or affected "interstate or foreign commerce", and the federal government has jurisdiction in this particular case.

Note that just because the federal government has jurisdiction does not necessarily mean that state governments do not, and vice versa -- this is known as concurrent jurisdiction. Larson is facing charges by the federal AND state authorities.

That just seems like another way to add more repeated charges, and make lawyers and the government get more money.

 

[PPEcel]

What if you're in an uncucked country using their internet to download illegal stuff, do americucks still have jurisdiction there?

That would be highly dependent on the exact circumstances of the case, but the answer is most likely no.

That just seems like another way to add more repeated charges, and make lawyers and the government get more money.

Yes. That's also what the "dual sovereignty doctrine" is. Punishing a person multiple times, to face (one or more) state and/or federal charges, for the same crime, is not a violation of the Double Jeopardy Clause of the 5th Amendment -- see Supreme Court cases United States v. Lanza (1922) or Heath v. Alabama (1985).

In practice, this is relatively rare and only applied if prosecutors in multiple offices really, really, want to throw the book at someone. For example, after the Oklahoma City bombing perpetrators were sentenced to death by the federal government, state prosecutors in Oklahoma (which has the death penalty) also filed charges against them. This was done so that in case the federal death penalty was overturned on appeal, the state death penalty would still stand.

 

[Robtical]

That would be highly dependent on the exact circumstances of the case, but the answer is most likely no.

That's some good news at least.

In practice, this is relatively rare and only applied if prosecutors in multiple offices really, really, want to throw the book at someone. For example, after the Oklahoma City bombing perpetrators were sentenced to death by the federal government, state prosecutors in Oklahoma (which has the death penalty) also filed charges against them. This was done so that in case the federal death penalty was overturned on appeal, the state death penalty would still stand.

It seems like they only do that for very serious cases, if nate had sex with the jb would the state prosecutors consider it that serious?

 

[BlkPillPres]

Nathan should just "go for" some security guards gun, shoot as many as he can and save a bullet for himself, his life is over

Well, that's what I would do

 

[PPEcel]

Nathan should just "go for" some security guards gun, shoot as many as he can and save a bullet for himself, his life is over

Well, that's what I would do

Exactly.

That's some good news at least.

It seems like they only do that for very serious cases, if nate had sex with the jb would the state prosecutors consider it that serious?

Oh yeah, that'd be worse.

I think they're really ticked off about the fact that Nathan was bold enough to run a website dedicated to this on the clearweb.

If the feds were more savvy, they'd keep the arrest under wraps, take control of the website, LARP as Larson, and run multiple sting operations.

Gets a tranny from phillipines but decided to sex the loli in maerica of all things.

how smart.

The tranny wasn't Filipina, it was a white Americunt. The Filipina mail-order bride came years after the tranny divorced Larson and killed itself.

tl;dr: they arranged a meeting, she flew to him and yet somehow he was 'kidnapping' her. Murrica!

Tbf she didn't fly to him, he flew to her, picked her up, and decided to fly back with her. I doubt a 12-year-old could fly alone, most likely would have to be an unaccompanied minor and shit.

 

[Robtical]

Oh yeah, that'd be worse.

I think they're really ticked off about the fact that Nathan was bold enough to run a website dedicated to this on the clearweb.

If the feds were more savvy, they'd keep the arrest under wraps, take control of the website, LARP as Larson, and run multiple sting operations.

It'd be hard to keep up the larp that long, because nate's mom would tell fukurou that he got arrested, then he'd tell everyone.

 

[The Abyss]

They expecting him to pull a Jesus, resurrect then slap the cuffs on him again.

Meanwhile a Chad can pump n dump a 12 year old & no one is the wiser or cares.

 

[PPEcel]

It'd be hard to keep up the larp that long, because nate's mom would tell fukurou that he got arrested, then he'd tell everyone.

I had no idea Larson's mom was in on it and knew fukurou

 

[Robtical]

I had no idea Larson's mom was in on it and knew fukurou

He said he talked to her on the phone a few times, so I think he'd be able to contact her and find out what happened.

 

[PPEcel]

He said he talked to her on the phone a few times, so I think he'd be able to contact her and find out what happened.

What I really want to do is listen in on the trial, it has to be massively interesting.

 

[Robtical]

What I really want to do is listen in on the trial, it has to be massively interesting.

We might get lucky and they'll have it video taped for the news.

 

[PPEcel]

We might get lucky and they'll have it video taped for the news.

Not in this case, the Judicial Conference of the U.S. has a longstanding rule against recording equipment in federal courtrooms. It might be possible to listen in, though, audio only.

The Fresno County trial, though, that's possible. California allows live cameras in court if the judge consents.

 

[Robtical]

Not in this case, the Judicial Conference of the U.S. has a longstanding rule against recording equipment in federal courtrooms. It might be possible to listen in, though, audio only.

The Fresno County trial, though, that's possible. California allows live cameras in court if the judge consents.

How do they expect us to trust the decision making of courts if we can't even record them? I bet because the cucked judges don't want to be exposed showing favoritism for rosties and government workers. There should be people recording court rooms everyday to keep them honest. If the trial is in fresno california I can go visit him in person and see the trial.

 

[PPEcel]

How do they expect us to trust the decision making of courts if we can't even record them? I bet because the cucked judges don't want to be exposed showing favoritism for rosties and government workers. There should be people recording court rooms everyday to keep them honest. If the trial is in fresno california I can go visit him in person and see the trial.

Transcripts are actually available on the PACER system 90 days after.

The delay is intended to prevent immediate media coverage and public opinion from unduly influencing the participants of a trial.

 

[Robtical]

Transcripts are actually available on the PACER system 90 days after.

The delay is intended to prevent immediate media coverage and public opinion from unduly influencing the participants of a trial.

Do they have it available after 90 days for traffic court too? In the US they don't let us record traffic violation judgements either, even though they won't end up in the media.

 

[PPEcel]

Do they have it available after 90 days for traffic court too? In the US they don't let us record traffic violation judgements either, even though they won't end up in the media.

That probably depends on each individual court, I'm mainly familiar with the federal system.

 

[Robtical]

That probably depends on each individual court, I'm mainly familiar with the federal system.

The courts in oakland and san francisco are cucked, and don't allow filming even for traffic violations that will never be on tv or newspapers.

 

[your personality]

Transcripts are actually available on the PACER system 90 days after.

The delay is intended to prevent immediate media coverage and public opinion from unduly influencing the participants of a trial.

High IQ.

The courts in oakland and san francisco are cucked, and don't allow filming even for traffic violations that will never be on tv or newspapers.

Just make it easier for the media to demonize lawbreakers by showing unflattering angles and snippets theory.

 

[Robtical]

Just make it easier for the media to demonize lawbreakers by showing unflattering angles and snippets theory.

I'm not saying the media should be there, but anyone should be able to record their own case if they wanted.

 

[ReturnOfSaddam]

LMAO I still can't believe this guy actually exists.

Is the chat with that foidlet actually real? It reads like a boomer pretending to be a kid, chris hansen style.

 

[your personality]

I'm not saying the media should be there, but anyone should be able to record their own case if they wanted.

But often when cameras and video are allowed that means official media organizations get access tbh it's not always citizen journalists. And even citizen journalists can be pretty intrusive and biased.
ngl what @PPEcel said about the law prohibiting media access of court room hearings reminds me of the discussion in the late 19th century around the right to privacy and possible laws or legal precedents that were suggested at the time to assure this.

 

[rope2cope]

nigga gonna die in jail

 

[Deleted member 21883]

There go those sexhavers again...

 

[Robtical]

But often when cameras and video are allowed that means official media organizations get access tbh it's not always citizen journalists. And even citizen journalists can be pretty intrusive and biased.
ngl what @PPEcel said about the law prohibiting media access of court room hearings reminds me of the discussion in the late 19th century around the right to privacy and possible laws or legal precedents that were suggested at the time to assure this.

You should be allowed to bring a relative or a friend and let them film your case, or pay someone to film, or set up a stationary camera somewhere in the courtroom. I'm not saying you should be able to record everyone's cases, only your own or the ones you get permission from.

 

[Indari]

"just your average every day inkwell"
cucktears and media

 

[SirIncel]

If you want more details, here's an excerpt from the affidavit filed by U.S. Department of Homeland Security Special Agent Dada Cheam. It's a copy of the conversation that Larson ("Leucosticte") had with the 12-year-old ("ewwieme").

Do you have the whole conversation?

 

[Deleted member 31092]

Damn fool.

 

[PPEcel]

Do you have the whole conversation?

No.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

dam that sucks. he was a cool dude

who was he?

 

[PPEcel]

who was he?

He was @Leucosticte

Wikipedia should tell you the rest

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

He was @Leucosticte

Wikipedia should tell you the rest

JFL, no wonder you guys talk about him so much.
He was a fellow co user. Thanks, I'll look more into him in that case.

 

[PPEcel]

JFL, no wonder you guys talk about him so much.
He was a fellow co user. Thanks, I'll look more into him in that case.

That, and CuckTears won't stop talking about him.

And even so, Larson's a pretty fascinating person

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

That, and CuckTears won't stop talking about him.

And even so, Larson's a pretty fascinating person

Weird how they found one guy who wasn't even an actual incel to shit on for being a pedophile, meanwhile IT has many pedophiles themselves.